Programmer's Guild

Submitted by softwarejanitor on Wed, 07/02/2008 - 2:58pm.
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In case other people aren't familiar with it, there is a lot of interesting information on their web site.

http://www.programmersguild.org

Submitted by matt on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 12:17pm.

So I have a ancillary question: The mission statement says it applies to Information Technology professionals. I have never considered software engineers to be under the IT umbrella.

How do you define the boundary between IT and SW engineering / programming? Or is there a boundary at all?

Submitted by softwarejanitor on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 12:27pm.

There is no boundary in general usage in the trade press. IT is generally used to describe all tech workers including software development and designers. I think your definition is limited to only areas like help desk, tech support and possibly systems and network administration.

Submitted by matt on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 12:43pm.

I have considered those who do network administration, sys admins, infrastructure support and tech support to be "IT". Those who develop software for most of the day are "Software engineers". I just asked because "IT" seems to have become a catch-all term for anyone that touches a computer for a good part of their day.

Submitted by softwarejanitor on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 1:01pm.

That is basically what the term has come to mean, and its easier just to go with that than to try to fight it.

Submitted by softwarejanitor on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 1:39pm.

Old geezers like me can remember back in the 1980s when the generic term for all tech workers was "Data Processing". Seems like the non-techies of the world need a generic umbrella to put all of us into.

Submitted by djarrell on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 8:15am.

While possibly being included in the 'old geezer' community, I think the definition of "IT" (and soundness of the definition) really depends on the context in which it is used. Inside companies (and most companies don't *produce* technology), "IT" is a differentiator for jobs types, departments, etc in an organizational sense. In the cross-industry realm of intellectual property practitioners (licensing executives, attorneys, scientists, etc) "IT" differentiates the collection of computing-related technologies from others like life sciences, pharma, materials, energy, etc. So, a CS-degreed software engineer might not fit into "IT" as a job or organizational label, but does fit within "IT" as a broad category of technologies. I imagine that there are other contexts in which IT takes on additional nuances.

Submitted by softwarejanitor on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:41am.

I would more or less agree with you on that, especially in regards to techies who work for non tech industry companies.